1 00:00:08,650 --> 00:00:05,390 hey this is Sean and this is Jay and 2 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:08,660 you're watching witness citizen 3 00:00:43,430 --> 00:00:40,500 foreign 4 00:00:45,290 --> 00:00:43,440 [Music] 5 00:00:48,350 --> 00:00:45,300 what's up man 6 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:48,360 hey buddy how are you doing I was it's 7 00:00:51,729 --> 00:00:49,620 been a while well well well well well 8 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:51,739 well well well well well well 9 00:00:57,170 --> 00:00:54,960 look at what we have here and we're in 10 00:00:59,090 --> 00:00:57,180 the same spots it's like not neither of 11 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:59,100 us have moved in the past few months 12 00:01:03,049 --> 00:01:01,379 we're just still here what people don't 13 00:01:05,210 --> 00:01:03,059 know is that we've actually been here 14 00:01:06,590 --> 00:01:05,220 the whole time we were talking but we 15 00:01:09,469 --> 00:01:06,600 didn't realize that we weren't 16 00:01:11,690 --> 00:01:09,479 broadcasting uh for the last for the 17 00:01:14,090 --> 00:01:11,700 last two months yeah yeah you see some 18 00:01:15,710 --> 00:01:14,100 of those uh Twitter uh spaces right 19 00:01:17,810 --> 00:01:15,720 where everybody gets to talk and 20 00:01:21,230 --> 00:01:17,820 everything and I've seen some that go on 21 00:01:22,190 --> 00:01:21,240 for like 12 or 13 hours oh yeah and I'm 22 00:01:25,490 --> 00:01:22,200 like 23 00:01:27,289 --> 00:01:25,500 how much Ritalin are people taking to 24 00:01:29,810 --> 00:01:27,299 stay up that late or you know coffee 25 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:29,820 probably but yeah holy cow and that's 26 00:01:34,730 --> 00:01:31,560 what we were doing except for two months 27 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:34,740 and it turns out you know 12 hours is 28 00:01:40,190 --> 00:01:37,920 nothing yeah 12 hours nothing yeah yeah 29 00:01:43,370 --> 00:01:40,200 they should try what we try which is 30 00:01:45,289 --> 00:01:43,380 just a broadcast to ourselves we had so 31 00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:45,299 many good takes 32 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:48,060 um we didn't record any of it uh 33 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:51,360 remember remember the alpaca it's so 34 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:53,700 cute and yeah yeah that was really on 35 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:55,560 adorable it took it took my spot for 36 00:01:59,030 --> 00:01:57,960 three hours that's right yeah yeah and 37 00:02:01,789 --> 00:01:59,040 it's like it did a pretty good 38 00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:01,799 impression of you as I recall you know 39 00:02:06,289 --> 00:02:04,439 and oh and remember that Crystal Clear 40 00:02:08,930 --> 00:02:06,299 triangle video that we showed about a 41 00:02:10,370 --> 00:02:08,940 month ago yeah that was wild and then 42 00:02:11,869 --> 00:02:10,380 there's the being in there that's just 43 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:11,879 kind of waving at us and stuff I 44 00:02:15,589 --> 00:02:13,560 remember thinking like we have reached 45 00:02:20,449 --> 00:02:15,599 disclosure here and nobody's in the chat 46 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:20,459 I know like nobody Andres nobody water 47 00:02:26,990 --> 00:02:23,360 where's water lily nobody where are they 48 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:27,000 Lara no one let's take it let's take a 49 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:29,040 sec to uh say what's up for everybody I 50 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:30,480 know it's been a while two months so 51 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:32,580 thank you everybody for for coming here 52 00:02:38,089 --> 00:02:35,040 and hanging out and being in the chat uh 53 00:02:40,369 --> 00:02:38,099 I really do appreciate it Jason LC uh 54 00:02:43,309 --> 00:02:40,379 Lara then he disclosure team Andreas 55 00:02:47,570 --> 00:02:43,319 Jason uh Christian 56 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:47,580 uh water lily uh Lord bass everybody uh 57 00:02:52,670 --> 00:02:49,680 Robert colford if I missed anybody I'm 58 00:02:54,350 --> 00:02:52,680 sorry I really appreciate you guys for 59 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:54,360 hanging in there and coming back please 60 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:02,750 all right I was always bad at that so 61 00:03:07,690 --> 00:03:05,280 this time I thought I'd make a banner 62 00:03:11,809 --> 00:03:07,700 oh that's nice I like it 63 00:03:13,670 --> 00:03:11,819 yeah why I mean absolutely yeah I don't 64 00:03:15,710 --> 00:03:13,680 think that there's I don't think you 65 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:15,720 lose any cool points um for getting 66 00:03:20,630 --> 00:03:18,300 liked and subscribed there's no dings on 67 00:03:24,350 --> 00:03:20,640 on that you know what I mean these days 68 00:03:27,589 --> 00:03:24,360 yeah yeah I have a lot of cool points so 69 00:03:29,809 --> 00:03:27,599 I'm not even worried about it 70 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:29,819 so tell me about yourself I mean last 71 00:03:36,110 --> 00:03:33,120 time we talked was with uh uh James and 72 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:36,120 you guys had a pretty big event in New 73 00:03:39,949 --> 00:03:36,840 York 74 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:39,959 well I was born in Cincinnati Ohio in 75 00:03:45,410 --> 00:03:43,680 1970 um yeah we yeah we um yeah so the 76 00:03:48,589 --> 00:03:45,420 last time we talked James was on and we 77 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:48,599 were just and we were just announcing 78 00:03:52,850 --> 00:03:50,040 um that conference that happened on 79 00:03:55,009 --> 00:03:52,860 October 8th and of course 80 00:03:59,030 --> 00:03:55,019 um Gary Nolan was there and Mitch 81 00:04:01,729 --> 00:03:59,040 Horowitz was there and uh gosh all sorts 82 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:01,739 of folks um tupacabra was there in the 83 00:04:10,030 --> 00:04:04,260 audience and exo-academian was there and 84 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:12,770 man I think he was going to say one of 85 00:04:18,590 --> 00:04:15,000 the best guess was there but we know 86 00:04:20,629 --> 00:04:18,600 from oh oh did I come back yeah I think 87 00:04:21,289 --> 00:04:20,639 he skipped over President Biden was 88 00:04:23,530 --> 00:04:21,299 there 89 00:04:28,010 --> 00:04:23,540 oh no yeah 90 00:04:29,810 --> 00:04:28,020 no but you know after F you know I'm 91 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:29,820 sure that after we get you know 92 00:04:33,530 --> 00:04:31,919 disclosure like a Christmas present with 93 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:33,540 the capital D 94 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:35,100 um then you know he'll be front in line 95 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:37,620 I'm sure about that but 96 00:04:41,629 --> 00:04:39,540 um you know but uh yeah it was a really 97 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:41,639 good I mean it was amazing you know it 98 00:04:45,530 --> 00:04:43,320 was a really I think it was a really 99 00:04:47,749 --> 00:04:45,540 positive experience folks that are you 100 00:04:49,670 --> 00:04:47,759 know on Twitter and stuff like that or 101 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:49,680 uh you know members of the experiencer 102 00:04:53,629 --> 00:04:51,960 group or any other you know you probably 103 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:53,639 have seen some pictures of us all 104 00:04:59,210 --> 00:04:56,940 spazzing out backstage or afterwards and 105 00:05:00,710 --> 00:04:59,220 things like that it was really or I've 106 00:05:02,930 --> 00:05:00,720 seen some of the footage on the new 107 00:05:05,810 --> 00:05:02,940 YouTube channel and like it was really 108 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:05,820 fun it was really amazing it felt like a 109 00:05:08,810 --> 00:05:07,680 new chapter in a lot of ways I wish you 110 00:05:11,689 --> 00:05:08,820 were there 111 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:11,699 um you already had plans and so but you 112 00:05:16,430 --> 00:05:14,100 know it's not the end of the story and 113 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:16,440 um you know it was also like an insane 114 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:18,120 challenge putting something like that 115 00:05:23,629 --> 00:05:20,580 together is no joke it's like sure it's 116 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:23,639 like putting together like five weddings 117 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:26,520 at the same time with just like lots of 118 00:05:30,710 --> 00:05:28,740 different ideas and opinions and Cooks 119 00:05:33,529 --> 00:05:30,720 in the kitchen and trying to make 120 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:33,539 everything work and um and amazing when 121 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:35,940 you're done with it and you take the the 122 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:38,340 you know the pie so to speak out of the 123 00:05:42,290 --> 00:05:39,780 oven and it's cooked perfectly and 124 00:05:43,790 --> 00:05:42,300 everybody enjoys it yes what's worth 125 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:43,800 that's what makes it worth it right 126 00:05:48,249 --> 00:05:46,080 there that's right That's Amore That's 127 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:48,259 Amore right there 128 00:05:52,850 --> 00:05:50,580 uh which is uh Hometown favorite 129 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:52,860 restaurant I might say of the family 130 00:05:57,230 --> 00:05:55,680 here That's Amore oh very nice it's in 131 00:06:01,570 --> 00:05:57,240 Hales Corner so if you ever come out 132 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:03,830 that sounds great we should have our 133 00:06:08,810 --> 00:06:07,020 anniversary there yeah that would be so 134 00:06:10,730 --> 00:06:08,820 cute the first time that we were on a 135 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:10,740 show together was September 24th of last 136 00:06:15,650 --> 00:06:13,800 year so you know maybe on our maybe on 137 00:06:16,969 --> 00:06:15,660 our two year anniversary we can go to 138 00:06:18,189 --> 00:06:16,979 That's Amore 139 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:18,199 um 140 00:06:23,749 --> 00:06:21,360 are you trying to kind of low-key remind 141 00:06:27,590 --> 00:06:23,759 me I missed our anniversary no no no no 142 00:06:30,170 --> 00:06:27,600 no no no no no no no no two years it's 143 00:06:32,330 --> 00:06:30,180 great two years is good and podcasting 144 00:06:34,189 --> 00:06:32,340 that's one year oh podcasting that's 145 00:06:36,110 --> 00:06:34,199 it's like dog years but different so 146 00:06:37,730 --> 00:06:36,120 like you know we can get the tiramisu we 147 00:06:39,710 --> 00:06:37,740 can put the candles in it'll be 148 00:06:41,330 --> 00:06:39,720 beautiful right and then you have 149 00:06:44,029 --> 00:06:41,340 another one coming up I put the ticket 150 00:06:46,490 --> 00:06:44,039 Link in uh the comments I don't know if 151 00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:46,500 that's gonna work or not but oh yeah you 152 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:48,720 you could do that or you know you can do 153 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:50,160 it with all the god without all the 154 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:52,620 Gobbledy guck and just keep it at.com 155 00:06:57,830 --> 00:06:55,800 but um oh okay yeah yeah that's the ins 156 00:06:59,510 --> 00:06:57,840 that's the in person and then I'll 157 00:07:01,730 --> 00:06:59,520 capacity is limited yeah I think that's 158 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:01,740 the in person then I'll I'll put the 159 00:07:05,390 --> 00:07:04,380 link over in there for for the live 160 00:07:07,790 --> 00:07:05,400 stream 161 00:07:10,249 --> 00:07:07,800 um which Okay so we've got Christopher 162 00:07:13,370 --> 00:07:10,259 melon we've got Leslie Kane we've got 163 00:07:16,309 --> 00:07:13,380 Ralph Blumenthal Jeff Sharon 164 00:07:19,550 --> 00:07:16,319 Hewitt Rowlett and Whitley streber and 165 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:19,560 then you've got uh UFO Hulk the great 166 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:21,120 iandoli 167 00:07:25,969 --> 00:07:24,900 um okay right got me 168 00:07:28,129 --> 00:07:25,979 um 169 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:28,139 laughs 170 00:07:31,129 --> 00:07:29,520 there he is 171 00:07:32,990 --> 00:07:31,139 yep 172 00:07:37,550 --> 00:07:33,000 look at that guy you can't look at him 173 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:37,560 look at that hunk look at that big 174 00:07:43,610 --> 00:07:41,280 New York Italian UFO Hulk look at that 175 00:07:45,050 --> 00:07:43,620 guy he's asleep right now so we can say 176 00:07:47,890 --> 00:07:45,060 whatever we want he worked an overnight 177 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:47,900 shift last night so oh okay 178 00:07:52,670 --> 00:07:50,940 so yeah I'm looking forward to that you 179 00:07:55,610 --> 00:07:52,680 got some great guests some great uh 180 00:07:57,589 --> 00:07:55,620 co-hosts there that's awesome yeah it'll 181 00:08:00,110 --> 00:07:57,599 be fun glad you're doing it again thank 182 00:08:01,969 --> 00:08:00,120 you man yeah and like um and folks can 183 00:08:04,969 --> 00:08:01,979 still get the live stream tickets 184 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:04,979 um it's Saturday December 3rd 185 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:06,860 um anybody that buys live stream tickets 186 00:08:13,129 --> 00:08:10,080 uh has infinite replays of the event 187 00:08:14,629 --> 00:08:13,139 you'll get a private link the day after 188 00:08:16,189 --> 00:08:14,639 um so you can just watch the footage 189 00:08:17,570 --> 00:08:16,199 whenever the hell you want I know that 190 00:08:19,070 --> 00:08:17,580 there are people that are going to be 191 00:08:20,869 --> 00:08:19,080 joining us from the UK there are people 192 00:08:22,670 --> 00:08:20,879 that are joining us from Australia and 193 00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:22,680 they're like holy at the time and 194 00:08:26,749 --> 00:08:25,440 stuff like that so um yeah uh you'll be 195 00:08:30,350 --> 00:08:26,759 able to watch the footage whenever you 196 00:08:32,089 --> 00:08:30,360 want and um also anybody you know I like 197 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:32,099 I'll get off the stump in a second year 198 00:08:37,310 --> 00:08:35,520 but anybody that orders through 199 00:08:40,730 --> 00:08:37,320 um the Sunday after Thanksgiving so 200 00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:40,740 that's November 27th is entered into 201 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:42,479 this is really cute it was some of the 202 00:08:44,990 --> 00:08:43,740 some of the speakers actually came up 203 00:08:48,889 --> 00:08:45,000 with us 204 00:08:50,990 --> 00:08:48,899 um uh we have audit we have books that 205 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:51,000 they're gonna sign for folks 206 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:53,760 um so if you if you do live stream or in 207 00:08:56,930 --> 00:08:55,200 person if you bought anything up till 208 00:08:58,790 --> 00:08:56,940 now or you do it up through the Sunday 209 00:09:00,410 --> 00:08:58,800 after Thanksgiving you'll be entered 210 00:09:02,810 --> 00:09:00,420 into that drawing so you could get a 211 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:02,820 personalized signed a copy of communion 212 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:04,920 from Whitley strieber or you can get uh 213 00:09:09,170 --> 00:09:07,260 surviving Death From Leslie Leslie Kane 214 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:09,180 you can get the believer from from Ralph 215 00:09:14,509 --> 00:09:12,000 Blumenthal uh you can get uh one of Jeff 216 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:14,519 kreypel's recent books um and Sharon 217 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:16,980 Sharon Hewitt rollettes so um that's 218 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:19,200 really fun we have I think maybe like 219 00:09:23,449 --> 00:09:21,420 three copies from each of them and so 220 00:09:25,730 --> 00:09:23,459 there's kind of a lot to to throw out 221 00:09:28,190 --> 00:09:25,740 there it's not just um you know it's 222 00:09:31,970 --> 00:09:28,200 better than Lottery odds we'll say that 223 00:09:33,949 --> 00:09:31,980 but uh yeah it's gonna be fun yeah and 224 00:09:36,470 --> 00:09:33,959 we have more a question and answer 225 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:36,480 segments for this one so people in the 226 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:38,220 live stream and in person we're going to 227 00:09:42,350 --> 00:09:40,080 go back and forth for the Q a segments 228 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:42,360 so if you join us live uh there's a good 229 00:09:45,230 --> 00:09:43,680 chance that you're going to get one of 230 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:45,240 your questions asked at some point so 231 00:09:49,970 --> 00:09:48,060 that's fun too yeah right well I'm glad 232 00:09:51,889 --> 00:09:49,980 you're doing that to put on an event I 233 00:09:54,829 --> 00:09:51,899 was just telling you before uh we went 234 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:54,839 on live I was booking shows first a 235 00:09:59,570 --> 00:09:57,480 music venue here in Milwaukee for for a 236 00:10:01,009 --> 00:09:59,580 few years and and booking shows and 237 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:01,019 putting that together making sure 238 00:10:05,630 --> 00:10:03,779 everything goes smoothly is is no easy 239 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:05,640 task especially when you're bringing 240 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:07,500 guests In from from all over the country 241 00:10:13,009 --> 00:10:10,620 like that oh yeah so I I definitely 242 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:13,019 appreciate you doing that and a lot of 243 00:10:17,269 --> 00:10:15,240 hard work goes into that 244 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:17,279 um you never really 245 00:10:21,410 --> 00:10:19,680 um you never make any money on it it's a 246 00:10:24,050 --> 00:10:21,420 it's a labor of love it's a passion 247 00:10:25,850 --> 00:10:24,060 project so uh I appreciate that 248 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:25,860 somebody's doing that because you know 249 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:27,720 it's not an easy thing to take on but 250 00:10:34,970 --> 00:10:31,260 what with that being said 251 00:10:38,269 --> 00:10:34,980 I thought today we could get we could 252 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:38,279 maybe touch on a couple topics sure one 253 00:10:42,949 --> 00:10:40,080 of them is 254 00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:42,959 you know it well it started 255 00:10:46,430 --> 00:10:44,640 it's kind of around the Wilson Davis 256 00:10:49,310 --> 00:10:46,440 notes 257 00:10:51,230 --> 00:10:49,320 um you know which is controversial some 258 00:10:53,150 --> 00:10:51,240 people think it's nothing some people 259 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:53,160 think it's everything 260 00:10:59,210 --> 00:10:55,140 um but 261 00:11:02,449 --> 00:10:59,220 um this this guy on Twitter who goes by 262 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:02,459 uh Omega Point put together 263 00:11:09,470 --> 00:11:06,360 this wonderful 200 page paper 264 00:11:12,769 --> 00:11:09,480 yeah basically trying to connect all the 265 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:12,779 dots with the Wilson Davis notes and 266 00:11:16,730 --> 00:11:13,800 more 267 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:16,740 um Greg Cameron researcher came out with 268 00:11:23,389 --> 00:11:19,800 uh I think it was notes called the 269 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:23,399 advanced theoretical physics group the 270 00:11:29,329 --> 00:11:27,660 ATP group yeah that uh that met and you 271 00:11:31,250 --> 00:11:29,339 can you can look it up and look at his 272 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:31,260 notes but he's kind of put trying to put 273 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:33,300 all these things together to see what 274 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:36,660 makes sense and it's extremely detailed 275 00:11:41,509 --> 00:11:40,200 he did a great job with it 276 00:11:42,889 --> 00:11:41,519 um so I want to commend them first of 277 00:11:44,690 --> 00:11:42,899 all that maybe one day we'll have them 278 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:44,700 on the show to talk to him about it the 279 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:46,800 graphic design here is wonderful by the 280 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:50,040 way oh absolutely it's definitely worth 281 00:11:57,110 --> 00:11:52,980 the read I mean what what to me my big 282 00:12:01,009 --> 00:11:57,120 Takeaway on it is you know all the 283 00:12:03,710 --> 00:12:01,019 all the lore of you know crash craft or 284 00:12:05,449 --> 00:12:03,720 bodies and the secrets behind it and the 285 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:05,459 people trying to get their hands on it 286 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:08,160 and either study it or or get it up to 287 00:12:12,829 --> 00:12:10,980 the public all the people 288 00:12:15,530 --> 00:12:12,839 um that are associated with that whether 289 00:12:18,829 --> 00:12:15,540 it's uh Jacques valet or Eric Davis or 290 00:12:21,110 --> 00:12:18,839 Admiral Tom Wilson or Oak Shannon who 291 00:12:23,690 --> 00:12:21,120 Project Unity actually interviewed which 292 00:12:26,329 --> 00:12:23,700 was incredible to get him on record all 293 00:12:29,630 --> 00:12:26,339 those people are in here and he he put 294 00:12:31,490 --> 00:12:29,640 He Paints the picture of of what it 295 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:31,500 um looks like and and what it could be 296 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:33,240 as far as that crash recovery program 297 00:12:39,829 --> 00:12:36,300 and all the ins and outs of it 298 00:12:42,490 --> 00:12:39,839 to me my biggest takeaway from it was 299 00:12:44,329 --> 00:12:42,500 man do I know who I want to testify 300 00:12:47,629 --> 00:12:44,339 [Laughter] 301 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:50,509 three and you know I I completely agree 302 00:12:55,069 --> 00:12:52,740 with you I think you know Omega point 303 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:55,079 and I I think Omega point was kind of 304 00:12:58,190 --> 00:12:56,880 the lead and then also hermetic 305 00:13:00,350 --> 00:12:58,200 penetrator 306 00:13:02,569 --> 00:13:00,360 um right both of them use pseudonyms um 307 00:13:04,009 --> 00:13:02,579 for obvious reasons you know generally 308 00:13:06,050 --> 00:13:04,019 speaking there are a lot of people out 309 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:06,060 there that when they cover material like 310 00:13:08,930 --> 00:13:07,440 this 311 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:08,940 um you know maybe they have a family 312 00:13:12,410 --> 00:13:10,800 maybe they have a job that's a little 313 00:13:15,470 --> 00:13:12,420 bit sensitive you know you should get 314 00:13:19,009 --> 00:13:15,480 people and um it makes sense why folks 315 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:19,019 would do that right and um and so 316 00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,300 um I I've known 317 00:13:26,750 --> 00:13:23,760 Omega point for I met him in person at 318 00:13:29,329 --> 00:13:26,760 The Archives conference in Houston 319 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:29,339 um and I've I've been chatting with 320 00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:31,200 hermetic penetrator for I don't know 321 00:13:35,449 --> 00:13:32,639 close to a year or something like that 322 00:13:37,910 --> 00:13:35,459 when he started he had I think three or 323 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:37,920 four articles before 324 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:41,040 um contributing to this one and 325 00:13:45,889 --> 00:13:42,480 um one of them was on kind of like 326 00:13:47,569 --> 00:13:45,899 nuclear baiting of UFOs by the Navy like 327 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:47,579 and there are some other ones there and 328 00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:49,740 and those were incredibly well written 329 00:13:53,870 --> 00:13:52,320 as well so we should probably put some 330 00:13:56,329 --> 00:13:53,880 links in the chat or in the comments 331 00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:56,339 later for some of hermetic penetrators 332 00:14:01,009 --> 00:13:58,800 like solo articles but they're both 333 00:14:04,009 --> 00:14:01,019 doing incredible work and you know Omega 334 00:14:07,370 --> 00:14:04,019 point is has this 335 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:07,380 um really encyclopedic kind of recall 336 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:10,560 and is is uniquely gifted in the ability 337 00:14:14,810 --> 00:14:12,120 to kind of put threads like this 338 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:14,820 together and so you know if you're a fan 339 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:18,300 of kind of classic 340 00:14:22,850 --> 00:14:22,139 um gumshoe uh ufology you know what I 341 00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:22,860 mean 342 00:14:26,449 --> 00:14:24,720 um this is this is going to be right up 343 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:26,459 your alley to anybody in the audience 344 00:14:30,949 --> 00:14:28,920 you know it's going to give you it's and 345 00:14:34,610 --> 00:14:30,959 it's not you know 200 pages I think it's 346 00:14:36,530 --> 00:14:34,620 like 240 some pages and so you know with 347 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:36,540 only a dock like this could you like 348 00:14:41,210 --> 00:14:39,360 Miss Miss 40 pages and still be close 349 00:14:43,250 --> 00:14:41,220 you know what I mean like it's it's 350 00:14:45,050 --> 00:14:43,260 insane it's insane the amount of work 351 00:14:46,850 --> 00:14:45,060 that they put into this and I'm really 352 00:14:49,069 --> 00:14:46,860 happy that they did because a lot of 353 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:49,079 people you know know we've struggled in 354 00:14:52,370 --> 00:14:50,760 the past and done our best to try to 355 00:14:55,129 --> 00:14:52,380 like throw some of this stuff together 356 00:14:56,810 --> 00:14:55,139 Ross coultard and bright Sable tried to 357 00:15:00,710 --> 00:14:56,820 do the same thing on need to know both 358 00:15:03,050 --> 00:15:00,720 of us did creative you know reenactments 359 00:15:05,150 --> 00:15:03,060 of the Wilson Davis notes I think ours 360 00:15:07,129 --> 00:15:05,160 was better that's partially because we 361 00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:07,139 were first and I like being an innovator 362 00:15:12,650 --> 00:15:10,079 partially because we had you know the 363 00:15:14,090 --> 00:15:12,660 car you know we were we had we'd set the 364 00:15:16,009 --> 00:15:14,100 scene and things like that that was 365 00:15:17,930 --> 00:15:16,019 really nice too but you know I think 366 00:15:19,580 --> 00:15:17,940 Bryce and Ross did a really good job 367 00:15:21,650 --> 00:15:19,590 imitating us 368 00:15:23,930 --> 00:15:21,660 [Laughter] 369 00:15:26,829 --> 00:15:23,940 they're imitating us yeah right yeah 370 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:26,839 yeah no well but yeah 371 00:15:35,050 --> 00:15:30,300 imitation is is one of the the the best 372 00:15:39,410 --> 00:15:38,150 but it's the most sense I I don't know 373 00:15:41,150 --> 00:15:39,420 if it's the best but it's the most 374 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,160 sincere anyway sincere right right 375 00:15:46,490 --> 00:15:43,440 sincere that's what they say yeah it was 376 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:46,500 a fun episode so I mean I I I recommend 377 00:15:52,490 --> 00:15:48,480 checking that out and and for a couple 378 00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:52,500 reasons one is you know 379 00:15:58,129 --> 00:15:55,740 um Gallagher in in the last UAP hearings 380 00:16:01,370 --> 00:15:58,139 the you know the first one they had in 381 00:16:03,290 --> 00:16:01,380 you know decades or whatever uh asked 382 00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:03,300 Arrow at the representatives of zero the 383 00:16:08,030 --> 00:16:06,420 dod UFO or UAP program if they've ever 384 00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:08,040 heard of the Wilson Davis Nelson they 385 00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:09,839 said they have it so Gallagher asked 386 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:11,519 them to put it into the record 387 00:16:17,629 --> 00:16:15,360 and this loose threads is really looking 388 00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:17,639 into almost every detail in those notes 389 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,760 and kind of expanding on it uh to to 390 00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:23,279 really try and make have it make sense 391 00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:25,800 the best it can you know is it proof 392 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:28,620 positive that a UFO crash program exists 393 00:16:32,810 --> 00:16:30,240 and that there are alien bodies in 394 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:32,820 possession of our government I mean some 395 00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:34,920 would some would say yeah I mean I would 396 00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:39,360 say probably not but it's very 397 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,500 um you know it it uh smells like a duck 398 00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:45,120 walks like a duck kind of thing to me 399 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:46,920 you know everything points to that and 400 00:16:52,009 --> 00:16:49,440 it's the strongest case for that that 401 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,019 I've seen so 402 00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:54,240 you know if if you're one that wants to 403 00:16:58,850 --> 00:16:56,160 know if if that's a real deal thing 404 00:17:01,129 --> 00:16:58,860 crash recovery programs 405 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:01,139 um you definitely should rate it because 406 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:04,020 it makes a great case so yeah and I 407 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:06,540 think you know I mean it's one of the I 408 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:08,699 think it's such a hot button issue I 409 00:17:13,730 --> 00:17:10,500 mean for a lot of reasons right because 410 00:17:15,770 --> 00:17:13,740 there's so much lore going back you know 411 00:17:18,110 --> 00:17:15,780 especially in the 90s 412 00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,120 um and then even before that in terms of 413 00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:20,880 like Roswell and everything that got 414 00:17:25,370 --> 00:17:22,799 built around that you know the whole 415 00:17:28,189 --> 00:17:25,380 entertainment industry around stuff like 416 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:28,199 the X-Files right right and um based 417 00:17:34,610 --> 00:17:30,360 around the idea of of this and of course 418 00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,620 we know and like largely you know a huge 419 00:17:39,529 --> 00:17:36,480 chunk of our community and a lot of the 420 00:17:42,909 --> 00:17:39,539 heft behind uh when the citizen is 421 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:42,919 showing that there has been you know a 422 00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:46,200 absolute cover-up that goes back over 70 423 00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:48,900 years where people don't want to talk 424 00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:52,559 about anomalous and not you know uaps 425 00:17:56,270 --> 00:17:54,660 and UFOs that that's that's been 426 00:17:58,850 --> 00:17:56,280 something that since the time of Donald 427 00:18:01,310 --> 00:17:58,860 Kehoe anyway has been something that has 428 00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:01,320 been like an Inconvenient Truth in terms 429 00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:03,059 of you know government in the military 430 00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:06,480 and things like that right so yeah you 431 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:08,460 know and I always you know honestly I 432 00:18:14,930 --> 00:18:11,760 always go back and forth on on why they 433 00:18:17,570 --> 00:18:14,940 cover up you know I think it was 434 00:18:20,270 --> 00:18:17,580 um you know it's either 435 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:20,280 you know the complete lack of being able 436 00:18:25,549 --> 00:18:22,679 to 437 00:18:27,529 --> 00:18:25,559 you know I I think it's it's either a 438 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:27,539 couple things either the you know the 439 00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:29,360 Air Force just genuinely couldn't 440 00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:31,799 explain a lot of the sighting so 441 00:18:35,210 --> 00:18:33,480 therefore they wanted to cover up that 442 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:35,220 that was a thing that they couldn't 443 00:18:38,510 --> 00:18:37,140 explain it because they well frankly 444 00:18:39,890 --> 00:18:38,520 they look stupid and it's a 445 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:39,900 vulnerability 446 00:18:45,289 --> 00:18:43,320 and the other you know thing which which 447 00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:45,299 a lot of people latch on to as well is 448 00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,500 just 449 00:18:51,529 --> 00:18:48,480 covering up that other beings have 450 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,539 visited this Earth You Know alien beings 451 00:18:55,490 --> 00:18:53,760 and and how 452 00:18:57,409 --> 00:18:55,500 um impactful that would be in society 453 00:18:58,909 --> 00:18:57,419 they lose control the government the 454 00:19:00,770 --> 00:18:58,919 powers that be lose control because 455 00:19:02,570 --> 00:19:00,780 there's this bigger thing that 456 00:19:05,570 --> 00:19:02,580 everyone's now attached to 457 00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,580 so and you know it's just always the 458 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,200 back and forth sometimes I think that's 459 00:19:12,830 --> 00:19:09,600 right other days I'm like no it's not 460 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:12,840 you know it you just go back and forth 461 00:19:18,169 --> 00:19:16,020 um and I always wonder you know 462 00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:18,179 I just want to know what the cover-up is 463 00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:22,200 you know why yeah and why not do that 464 00:19:26,750 --> 00:19:25,020 yeah and I I mean I think there's a 465 00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:26,760 decent chance that it could be both of 466 00:19:32,690 --> 00:19:29,580 those because you know as as we know 467 00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:32,700 from you know so many aspects of our 468 00:19:39,710 --> 00:19:36,600 completely you know Antiquated you might 469 00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:39,720 say dysfunctional you might say 470 00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,820 um ass backwards you might say like 471 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:43,440 government and Military situation 472 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:45,120 especially the way that our 473 00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,880 bureaucracies are you the for either 474 00:19:51,529 --> 00:19:49,919 intentionally or unintentionally there's 475 00:19:52,909 --> 00:19:51,539 so many situations where the left hand 476 00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:52,919 doesn't know what the right hand's doing 477 00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,860 right and even if the left hand did know 478 00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,120 what the right hand was doing they 479 00:20:01,610 --> 00:19:59,520 wouldn't know what to do about it sorry 480 00:20:03,529 --> 00:20:01,620 that's they're you know they're coming 481 00:20:05,450 --> 00:20:03,539 to get me again it's Jersey City what 482 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:05,460 are you gonna do but like um thankfully 483 00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,780 it's going in the other direction so 484 00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:08,640 that's nice but you know and so I think 485 00:20:13,370 --> 00:20:10,799 it's very possible that there that at 486 00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:13,380 the core and at the outset that there's 487 00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,260 that layer of uh we don't know what the 488 00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:18,240 hell is is up there we don't we just 489 00:20:22,010 --> 00:20:20,039 don't know and then there's like some 490 00:20:24,110 --> 00:20:22,020 people that are like oh well we know 491 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,120 what some of that is and it might be 492 00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:26,640 this and you know it could be you know 493 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:28,740 the Grays of this or that whatever you 494 00:20:32,990 --> 00:20:31,080 want to pick from the lore and then you 495 00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:33,000 know then there could be even a deeper 496 00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:35,100 level where it's just like yeah but 497 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:36,299 that's not 498 00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,860 right you know at the same time there's 499 00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:42,720 you know just because you may have 500 00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:46,020 figured out where you know that the 501 00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:47,340 grades are like this and their ships 502 00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,900 look like that or whatever if you go 503 00:20:52,490 --> 00:20:50,640 down that route if you go down that line 504 00:20:55,010 --> 00:20:52,500 of thinking that doesn't necessarily 505 00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:55,020 tell you what like those weird sentient 506 00:20:59,150 --> 00:20:57,000 orbs are or like the strange looking 507 00:21:02,029 --> 00:20:59,160 jellyfish that like John Keel and many 508 00:21:04,130 --> 00:21:02,039 other people report or you know like all 509 00:21:06,169 --> 00:21:04,140 sorts of other kind of plasmas they you 510 00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:06,179 know there's so many different forms of 511 00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:10,080 anomalous phenomena and so like or even 512 00:21:13,789 --> 00:21:12,299 what those Grays would be and even if 513 00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:13,799 you know you could take that at face 514 00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:16,200 value or not or if it's you know kind of 515 00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:18,900 like a valet Keel situation where you 516 00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:20,580 know they want you to think a certain 517 00:21:24,289 --> 00:21:22,980 thing or whatever it's absolutely I 518 00:21:26,210 --> 00:21:24,299 think you kind of hit it on the head 519 00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:26,220 where there's you know I think we have 520 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,100 at least I have a tendency to focus and 521 00:21:33,529 --> 00:21:31,679 look for one truth you know is it this 522 00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:33,539 is it that or whatever when there could 523 00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:36,360 be multiple truths you know if there was 524 00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:37,980 a crash recovery let's say oh it's 525 00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,500 Roswell or the Aztec crash or whatever 526 00:21:45,049 --> 00:21:42,240 that could have been that could have 527 00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:45,059 been found and hidden by a a small group 528 00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:47,580 of people and stashed away before the 529 00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:49,980 regular Air Force people even got there 530 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:52,380 to look at the scene and find a balloon 531 00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:55,260 you know and then they go on saying it's 532 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:56,460 a balloon I swear to God they're 533 00:22:01,070 --> 00:21:58,200 convicted with it too because they don't 534 00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,080 even know yeah absolutely that could be 535 00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:04,020 something too it did absolutely and and 536 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:06,360 and the closer that you get I think the 537 00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:07,320 closer 538 00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:10,200 what we've seen 539 00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:12,659 uh you know or what what seems to be the 540 00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:14,940 case both in this loose threads document 541 00:22:21,289 --> 00:22:18,000 and many other situations that from docs 542 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:21,299 that you've you've painstakingly found 543 00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:23,940 um you know over the last few years that 544 00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:26,039 that the closer that you get to 545 00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:28,500 experimental propulsion the closer that 546 00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:31,860 you get to to things that could be used 547 00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:33,960 advantageously by the military like 548 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:35,820 reverse engineering or anything along 549 00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,100 those lines anything near experimental 550 00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:41,280 craft and whatnot you uh you know that 551 00:22:48,049 --> 00:22:44,700 is where they you get you know the the 552 00:22:49,610 --> 00:22:48,059 record scratches and you know nope no 553 00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:49,620 further than that that's where you stop 554 00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,500 right because you know they'll let you 555 00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:55,200 know they whoever they are you know in 556 00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:57,900 many cases people are free to speculate 557 00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:00,840 you know into in in the Realms of 558 00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:02,280 philosophy and Realms of the social 559 00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:03,960 sciences you can approach this from an 560 00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,880 anthropological perspective you can do 561 00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,679 it the way that you know Jacque Valley 562 00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:09,900 or Sean espier and hargens or others 563 00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,419 have you know combing through folklore 564 00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:15,120 and and you know early history cases 565 00:23:18,590 --> 00:23:16,260 things like that 566 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:18,600 but the second then you start you know 567 00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,580 being like well you know what was Werner 568 00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:22,080 Von Braun doing you know what I mean and 569 00:23:24,890 --> 00:23:23,940 like you know what else was going on and 570 00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:24,900 this and that and the other thing and 571 00:23:29,570 --> 00:23:26,580 what's going on in Huntsville all that 572 00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:29,580 kind of stuff and then you know like 573 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,980 what space force up to these days you 574 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:34,799 know what what was that you know uh the 575 00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:37,860 Air Force classified space program that 576 00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:40,980 you know officially started in 1985 and 577 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:43,020 probably went back further than that why 578 00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:44,460 haven't we been back to the moon the 579 00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:45,960 second then you go down that route 580 00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,740 that's when that's when you know you 581 00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:51,120 start wondering whether you're going to 582 00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,919 wake up with like an extra sunburn or 583 00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,120 whatever you know what I mean like 584 00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:55,919 that's when that's when the scary stuff 585 00:23:59,810 --> 00:23:57,960 starts happening and you have to start 586 00:24:02,510 --> 00:23:59,820 using like weird pseudonyms when you 587 00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:02,520 start writing up papers seemingly yeah 588 00:24:06,169 --> 00:24:04,020 um yeah you know and the government 589 00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:06,179 doesn't do a good job of fighting 590 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,760 against a lot of the different ideas 591 00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,559 that they wouldn't get behind for 592 00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:13,440 instance you know like when 593 00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:16,620 you know the Lord is for instance like 594 00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,020 Area 51 right might have 595 00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:21,299 you know uh craft or whatever there Bob 596 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,580 Lazar comes out talks about that and 597 00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:26,400 then they raid the FBI and the Air Force 598 00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:29,100 raids the house of a guy who owns the 599 00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:32,340 area 51 website you know 600 00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,380 what do you want us it's it's almost 601 00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:36,000 like sometimes like what are we supposed 602 00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,860 to think yeah you know yep which is a 603 00:24:45,289 --> 00:24:42,960 crazy story but I mean that's kind of 604 00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:45,299 going off of your like secret Tech kind 605 00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,179 of yeah thing like once you start 606 00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:50,460 getting into that area too it gets 607 00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:53,640 really dicey it gets super dicey and you 608 00:24:58,970 --> 00:24:56,100 start you know that that's and that's 609 00:25:00,649 --> 00:24:58,980 when that's the part where you know I 610 00:25:02,690 --> 00:25:00,659 remember and I think I've said to this 611 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,700 to you before for those that don't know 612 00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:04,080 in the chat or are watching this later 613 00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:06,059 you know before the experiencer group 614 00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:07,500 and before I started doing these 615 00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:08,940 conferences and before I started doing 616 00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:10,500 stuff with you 617 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,679 um you know back in the day I would I I 618 00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:15,600 helped out with Richard Dolan's work 619 00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:18,900 right and I I worked on his member site 620 00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:21,000 and helped out with some research firm 621 00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:23,280 and things like that and you know part 622 00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:25,799 of my gig over there was like filtering 623 00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:27,960 emails for him right and things like 624 00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,299 that and like going through stuff and he 625 00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,059 and you know when there would be emails 626 00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:34,799 that would be about 627 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:36,539 you know experimental Tech or something 628 00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:39,000 like that I was just like you know like 629 00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,220 See No Evil Hear No like I was like all 630 00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,080 three monkeys at the same time just like 631 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:45,960 backing away slowly like that was not my 632 00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:47,880 bag like I mean I know that you've 633 00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:49,500 you've historically gotten into that 634 00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:52,740 kind of stuff but I like 635 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:54,299 I don't know there's there's something 636 00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,940 about this area where you know and maybe 637 00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:58,919 that's part of the reason why our 638 00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:02,100 partnership works so well is that like I 639 00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:04,919 like approaching things you know I love 640 00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,600 reading stuff like loose threads and 641 00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:08,159 it's kind of like where I came from 642 00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:10,200 within like how I started approaching 643 00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,840 these issues and I still love doing it 644 00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:15,179 and at the same time there's a larger 645 00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,860 part of me that can't continue to get 646 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,200 frustrated 647 00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:24,720 by how we go two steps forward and three 648 00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:27,539 steps back sure like like year after 649 00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,640 year you know what I mean and we'll have 650 00:26:33,769 --> 00:26:31,919 like a big amount of progress like 651 00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:33,779 Leslie and Ralph's like original three 652 00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:36,179 articles in the New York Times and then 653 00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:38,279 you know Ralph won't be allowed to do 654 00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,159 one last year and then you know and then 655 00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,159 maybe we're getting a you a an error 656 00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:46,500 report a uip task force report at the 657 00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:48,299 end of October oh no we're not maybe 658 00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:49,740 we're getting it at the end of November 659 00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,500 and um and you know we see people rage 660 00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:55,679 quit the field we see people get 661 00:27:01,549 --> 00:26:58,340 frustrated and start 662 00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:01,559 and like and have these like existential 663 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,159 crises you know what I mean 664 00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:06,480 yeah 665 00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:08,340 and start kind of blaming everyone 666 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:11,520 around them like like it's you know 667 00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:13,559 they're the ones that did it 668 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,440 exactly blaming other people around them 669 00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,000 as if they're the ones that didn't and 670 00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,760 for some reason being surprised that 671 00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:22,799 like government bureaucracy can't get 672 00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,080 something done in time like they can't 673 00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,120 even lower the price of insulin like how 674 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:28,860 like how these heck are you supposed to 675 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:31,140 expect them to like I don't know you 676 00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:32,700 know what I mean like I I think that one 677 00:27:36,169 --> 00:27:33,779 of the things that we've talked about 678 00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,179 for many months is that like I have 679 00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:39,120 never been one I don't I don't trust 680 00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:41,340 I don't think that the ultimate truth of 681 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,900 reality is gonna come out of the 682 00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:44,880 Pentagon and I don't think it's going to 683 00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:46,980 come out of Congress and like I don't 684 00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:48,299 think that that means that we have to 685 00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,760 stop I think that I think that it's one 686 00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:54,000 Avenue of many Private Industry Academia 687 00:27:59,169 --> 00:27:56,340 so many other situations your own 688 00:28:02,750 --> 00:27:59,179 introspection your own personal journey 689 00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,760 and like and you know it doesn't mean 690 00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:04,440 that we stop pushing 691 00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,020 because right you know they can only add 692 00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,600 to the picture add to that exactly you 693 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,340 know but I wouldn't even would you even 694 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:13,200 trust the government if they came out 695 00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:16,740 and said okay so there are beings and 696 00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,059 this is what they are and where they're 697 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:21,299 from would you no I still I'd be like 698 00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:24,960 okay are they really from there or is 699 00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,240 that really the point here and how do 700 00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:30,240 you know and you know it's it's a Yeah 701 00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,980 It's tricky because you could make a 702 00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:33,659 case that it's like okay these are the 703 00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:35,400 same people that told us that Iraq had 704 00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,799 weapons of mass destruction exactly and 705 00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:40,320 they didn't you know things like that 706 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:43,700 and and and you know there are a whole 707 00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:46,860 you know one of the reason why one of 708 00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,539 the reasons why Richard and other people 709 00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:50,880 are are kind of hot button is because 710 00:28:55,490 --> 00:28:53,400 they've gone through and like done you 711 00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:55,500 know series of whole episodes about 712 00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:58,919 about how many different instances there 713 00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:01,380 have been over the Decades of of 714 00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,380 misdirection misinformation 715 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,539 bags all this kind of stuff and of 716 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,580 course like you know some of those terms 717 00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,760 have been have been derided as if you 718 00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:13,860 know they're as if you know they are 719 00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,440 toxic terms that you shouldn't use like 720 00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,659 oh a conspiracy oh this uh the other 721 00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,700 thing but everybody agrees that there's 722 00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,620 been a cover-up and everybody knows 723 00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:24,899 everybody that's been in this field for 724 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:25,740 a while 725 00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:29,039 or just watches the news or reads the 726 00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:31,799 newspaper with half a half a you know 727 00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:34,679 half a brain cell will know like how 728 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:36,659 much propaganda we deal with like every 729 00:29:42,049 --> 00:29:40,080 damn day right completely it's all the 730 00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:42,059 news basically these days is just 731 00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:45,059 information Warfare whether it's uh one 732 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,460 political party against the other or 733 00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,260 countries against other foreign 734 00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:52,399 countries it's really all it is you know 735 00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:56,159 so I mean you're completely right 736 00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:56,940 um 737 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:00,480 and it yeah it's 738 00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:03,480 it's not easy it's not easy that's 739 00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:05,460 that's for sure and then everybody puts 740 00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,500 all their kind of 741 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:09,419 you know eggs in one basket and the 742 00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:11,640 disclosure basket and arrow and them 743 00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:13,380 coming out and and telling you 744 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,539 everything but then there's you gotta 745 00:30:19,789 --> 00:30:17,760 also remember like what is disclosure 746 00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:19,799 there's no Definition of disclosure if 747 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:21,419 you asked Lou Elizondo he said it before 748 00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:23,880 he goes you you have disclosure because 749 00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:26,340 the government's admitted there's uaps I 750 00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:27,659 would push back a little bit because 751 00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:30,600 they've admitted that there are UFOs uh 752 00:30:34,430 --> 00:30:32,760 uh you know for a long time if we're 753 00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,440 going based on just admitting that 754 00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:36,539 things are unidentified you know yeah 755 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,740 but 756 00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:40,140 um and then some people wouldn't you 757 00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,120 know want disclosure to be like tell me 758 00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,240 that there's gray aliens or or it's a 759 00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:48,960 bust you know so what is disclosure and 760 00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,720 right what is it to you what are your 761 00:30:56,510 --> 00:30:54,000 expectations because I can tell you one 762 00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:56,520 thing that uh 763 00:31:01,490 --> 00:30:58,740 pretty much you know from experiencers 764 00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:01,500 to people that are just interested to 765 00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:03,960 Skeptics everybody has a different idea 766 00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:06,600 of what disclosure actually is and if 767 00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:09,720 you want to successful uh disclosure you 768 00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,360 have to be all on the same page of what 769 00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:14,940 you're asking for you know 770 00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,580 um and I don't think anybody is to be 771 00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,200 quite honest with you we're all sitting 772 00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:21,419 here begging to that the report comes 773 00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,460 out and just admits that there's 150 774 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,740 things they couldn't identify you know 775 00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:28,260 yeah and you know we're pretending to be 776 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:31,500 happy with that yeah right 777 00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:34,380 yeah which is which is kind of silly to 778 00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:37,020 me because we I mean we already know 779 00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:39,480 that you know we already know that 780 00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:40,919 there's things flying around that are 781 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:42,899 unidentified and we've known that since 782 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:45,000 Blue Book 783 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,860 um reports have been released you know 784 00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,020 and you can look at those and see how 785 00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,640 they lied about those telling people 786 00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:54,000 that 20 were remained unidentified but 787 00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:56,220 when you look at the documents it says 788 00:32:02,269 --> 00:31:59,100 they could only positively identify 789 00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:02,279 seven percent meaning if something's 790 00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,899 kind of in the track of where a balloon 791 00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,059 is sometimes but they didn't see it and 792 00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:07,919 they don't really know and they called 793 00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:09,299 the bloom company and they said they 794 00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,919 don't know well we're going to say it's 795 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:13,679 probably a balloon you know and maybe 796 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,440 some of them are but maybe some are not 797 00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:18,240 you know but they go out and tell the 798 00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:19,620 public 20 percent 799 00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:24,000 you know yeah yeah yeah yeah and and I I 800 00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:26,279 you know that's that's been the case for 801 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,039 so long and it's so well documented 802 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:31,320 um you know partially thanks now to 803 00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:34,140 people like you and it's it's important 804 00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:36,419 to remember that history and to remind 805 00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:40,200 people of that history and and reflect 806 00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:43,320 on that regularly and often because you 807 00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:45,480 know like like we were just saying 808 00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:48,659 earlier it takes it takes a lot more 809 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:50,580 routes it takes a lot more strategies 810 00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,940 and what is disclosure you know is it is 811 00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,159 it something that you're if you're 812 00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:58,260 expecting to hear you know the ultimate 813 00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,899 nature of reality from any person living 814 00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,120 on Earth I don't even I don't know that 815 00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:05,700 that's ever going to be a reasonable 816 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:08,100 expectation you know let alone the 817 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,260 American government or that that's a 818 00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:13,140 regiment yeah yeah yeah because you know 819 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:14,760 what like 820 00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:17,640 um the the idea of strategy and the idea 821 00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:20,279 of security and secrecy depends on on on 822 00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:22,140 keeping closely held things and we know 823 00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,600 this and so you know what is the 824 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,120 ultimate nature of reality you know and 825 00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:28,799 then some people all they want to know 826 00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,380 is like what flew over their backyard 827 00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,600 like they don't necessarily you know 828 00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,700 what I mean and like that's a very valid 829 00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:38,399 question too you know what I mean but I 830 00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:42,539 think for in some ways there are there 831 00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:44,279 are a lot of situations here where we're 832 00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:46,860 not even recognizing that different 833 00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:49,799 people have different questions that 834 00:33:57,409 --> 00:33:52,679 lead to you know wanting that disclosure 835 00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,419 and so you know it's and what some of 836 00:34:03,830 --> 00:33:59,820 this comes down to is that 837 00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:03,840 it turns into it can turn into a 838 00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:06,779 frustration or an angst not just from 839 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:10,080 the frustration of living under a 840 00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:11,460 government that doesn't tell you the 841 00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:14,119 truth a whole lot of the time but also 842 00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:17,339 that you know existential angst is real 843 00:34:23,450 --> 00:34:20,580 and that people are are you're coming up 844 00:34:26,089 --> 00:34:23,460 with a situation where where people can 845 00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:26,099 easily conflate their problems with the 846 00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:28,859 government taxes like having you know 847 00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,080 capitalism coming up with money you know 848 00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:33,300 all the different reasons why you know 849 00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,359 living in 2022 is really really 850 00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:39,179 difficult and then you have the added 851 00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,820 you know existential crisis of like why 852 00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:44,220 was I born why did my parents bring me 853 00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:46,080 here like I didn't want to be you know 854 00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:46,980 what I mean like all the different 855 00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:49,379 questions that people have and worries 856 00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,419 that people have and say like you know 857 00:34:54,889 --> 00:34:53,220 what is this place you know we're 858 00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,899 hurtling through space and it doesn't 859 00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:57,119 feel like we're flying at thousands of 860 00:35:03,670 --> 00:34:59,220 miles an hour like where are we going 861 00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:07,190 and putting it on the government in the 862 00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,900 Aero office that's right yeah you know 863 00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:11,880 and then just and then pointing all of 864 00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:14,700 it at somebody because you know as it as 865 00:35:19,130 --> 00:35:15,960 it happens 866 00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:19,140 people are too cowardly to be mad at God 867 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:21,540 they're too cowardly to be mad at their 868 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:23,820 own parents you know what I mean or that 869 00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:26,640 sometimes and or they just can't root 870 00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:28,980 themselves that way or they can't or 871 00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,859 they can't understand the or often is 872 00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,440 the case there they they haven't gotten 873 00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,599 into a position where they can start to 874 00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:39,359 pull apart those threads and start to 875 00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:42,119 address them in a in a in a relatively 876 00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:46,440 clean way because it's very very easy to 877 00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:48,420 get to get 878 00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:51,180 um illogically upset 879 00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:52,920 um when dealing with any one of these 880 00:35:59,210 --> 00:35:56,040 issues right yeah yeah well said and 881 00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,220 it's such and that's one of the reasons 882 00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:02,160 that UFOs UAP is such a complicated 883 00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,980 topic right because if you if you're 884 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,200 talking about something another sentient 885 00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,540 being that is here on Earth that no one 886 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:12,359 knows you know as 887 00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:15,540 that is not human or whatever 888 00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:19,200 that opens the door up to just about 889 00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,660 everything nothing is what a what you 890 00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,880 thought you know life is so different 891 00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:27,119 now all of a sudden because there's this 892 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:30,180 intelligent thing that exists that no 893 00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,320 one knew about 894 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:33,900 yeah and deep down I think everybody is 895 00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,940 looking for 896 00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,880 um everybody always searches for the why 897 00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,980 as he said you know 898 00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,140 um everybody's looking for a bigger 899 00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:45,480 picture you know absolutely for a couple 900 00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,160 reasons one of them I think is it brings 901 00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,680 hope it brings hope to your life that 902 00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:51,119 there's something more to this that 903 00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,460 there's a purpose that there's a reason 904 00:36:58,569 --> 00:36:56,400 and I can tell you with or without a 905 00:37:02,030 --> 00:36:58,579 disclosure from the government there is 906 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:02,040 you know and you may not find out what 907 00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:03,720 it is you know and that's really 908 00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:06,300 frustrating yeah um but you can have 909 00:37:12,849 --> 00:37:09,839 that hope you know without leaning on 910 00:37:15,710 --> 00:37:12,859 the government to to reaffirm you know 911 00:37:18,349 --> 00:37:15,720 your suspicions are what you want from 912 00:37:20,290 --> 00:37:18,359 Life basically you know absolutely and 913 00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:20,300 we have each other you know like there's 914 00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,180 like we it's very possible 915 00:37:29,930 --> 00:37:27,000 that you know 916 00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,940 just as a thought experiment you're 917 00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,680 faced with 918 00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,900 you know whatever 919 00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:35,760 um you know lore being you want to bring 920 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,180 up whether it's a gray you know Nordic a 921 00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:40,560 man said 922 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,260 um you know some demigod you know an 923 00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:45,660 angel whatever you want to think you 924 00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:48,300 know what I mean a fawn a centaur 925 00:37:53,650 --> 00:37:51,420 whatever and then and and you're like 926 00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:53,660 hey you're from a different civilization 927 00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:56,760 uh so like is consciousness fundamental 928 00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:58,980 and they're like you know 929 00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,079 uh we've been at this for like 10 000 930 00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,480 years longer than you guys and we still 931 00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,700 don't know still have no idea you know 932 00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:08,040 what I mean it's like oh or like yeah we 933 00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,720 got down to the Consciousness level but 934 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,280 it turns out there's something down 935 00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,200 there behind that even you know what I 936 00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:15,359 mean like yeah you know what I mean or 937 00:38:19,609 --> 00:38:16,859 they could be like oh yeah we're 938 00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:19,619 definitely in a simulation uh we are a 939 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:21,180 million years ahead of you we're 940 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,740 definitely in a simulation and you'll be 941 00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:24,300 like so who is it 942 00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:27,180 I don't know man I don't know you know 943 00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:29,220 what I mean and then I saw a great tweet 944 00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:31,380 the other day that was like people who 945 00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:33,900 believe that we're in a simulation 946 00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:37,619 um you know they like basically you you 947 00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,849 nope you're breaking up on me 948 00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,680 been got computed am I back hopefully 949 00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,359 yeah you're back I missed what you just 950 00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:53,339 said though oh okay like I saw a tweet 951 00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:55,380 and I can't like I'm I'm gonna jumble it 952 00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:56,820 up but it's basically like people who 953 00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:58,220 say that we're living in a simulation 954 00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:00,780 basically they're they're afraid to 955 00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,520 admit that they believe in God and so 956 00:39:07,569 --> 00:39:04,079 they just want to say that God's a nerd 957 00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:07,579 and put us in a computer right 958 00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:10,680 and I could see that as as being a valid 959 00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,780 you know argument as well you know sure 960 00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,400 at that point you're just are kind of 961 00:39:19,450 --> 00:39:16,859 arguing or deciding on the the semantics 962 00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:19,460 of whatever controls everything 963 00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:23,700 Dark Energy uh whether it's uh you know 964 00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:26,339 a god that actually is some sort of uh 965 00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:29,099 matter you know that that exists that 966 00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,700 controls everything or yeah you know a 967 00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,040 similar I would say this is a simulation 968 00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:38,880 but it it's not like a computer game 969 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:42,359 it's not like Sims it's a you know it's 970 00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:45,720 nature it's organic molecules that runs 971 00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,839 the simulation you know know yeah but 972 00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:50,579 it's a it's a really fascinating 973 00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:52,440 situation that we find ourselves in and 974 00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,599 you know there's as soon as you car 975 00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:57,119 start going down these threads it's like 976 00:40:00,650 --> 00:39:59,099 what happens with people like you or 977 00:40:02,329 --> 00:40:00,660 with people like me it's like you see 978 00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:02,339 something wild in the sky in your 979 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,140 backyard you're just back there smoking 980 00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:06,900 minding your own freaking business and 981 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:08,460 then you see something up there that 982 00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,200 doesn't make any sense 983 00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,240 and and then you're like what the heck 984 00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:14,579 was that and then eventually you're at a 985 00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:18,920 position where you realize that you know 986 00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,780 precognition is actually relatively 987 00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,240 common you know what I mean or that 988 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,640 retro causality is a thing or situations 989 00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:28,740 like this to kind of like bend the the 990 00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:32,099 situation like the basic constructs of 991 00:40:38,329 --> 00:40:35,820 time and then all of a sudden yeah then 992 00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:38,339 it's what do you do what do you do with 993 00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:40,500 it and so it's understandable you know 994 00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,119 when when I was just saying you know 995 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:44,220 like oh people they get frustrated 996 00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:45,960 because they're gonna you know they want 997 00:40:49,609 --> 00:40:47,579 to conflate all these things I don't 998 00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:49,619 think everybody wants to conflate all 999 00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:51,300 these things I think that it's just a 1000 00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:52,380 natural 1001 00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,380 situation if you're if you're taking on 1002 00:41:01,790 --> 00:40:57,960 all of reality you know it's it's good 1003 00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,800 to have empathy for anybody that is is 1004 00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:03,839 struggling with the nature of like 1005 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:07,140 everything that's around us because you 1006 00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:09,900 know admittedly it's a lot right it's a 1007 00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:12,720 lot to it's a lot to take on any aspect 1008 00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,540 of this is a lot to take on yeah and 1009 00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,040 especially if you're you're somebody 1010 00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,280 like um that likes to put in the work to 1011 00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,560 to do your own work to try to figure 1012 00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:24,780 stuff out you know there's there's so 1013 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,359 many uh people like that I know I'm like 1014 00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,800 that I know that you're like that other 1015 00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:30,960 people are like that where you have this 1016 00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:33,780 Enigma or this mystery and you want 1017 00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,300 you're gonna go find it out and you know 1018 00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:38,280 that if you put in the time the work and 1019 00:41:42,130 --> 00:41:40,020 the effort you're gonna figure it out 1020 00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:42,140 it's gonna work because 1021 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,300 you've learned to survive that way you 1022 00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,040 know I have a company that only works 1023 00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:49,200 because I put in the work to make it 1024 00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,260 survive you know or a marriage or a 1025 00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,200 house or whatever like all of that is up 1026 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,359 to me as an individual to put in the 1027 00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,960 effort to make it work you know so here 1028 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,119 comes this thing I see these things in 1029 00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,000 the backyard one's 13 freaking feet 1030 00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:08,640 seemingly right in front of my face you 1031 00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:12,060 know and during all that precog dream 1032 00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:15,800 thing happens and I'm like 1033 00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:18,900 yeah what do I do and then you go to the 1034 00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,820 UFO field and there's a lot of hucksters 1035 00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:22,380 and grifters that try to sell you 1036 00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:24,599 anything you know sure and so what do 1037 00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,339 you do I went to the books I went to 1038 00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:28,560 Blue Book what can I find and you know 1039 00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:32,099 no matter how many files I've read 1040 00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,320 it it doesn't 1041 00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:36,780 it doesn't prove or explain any of it 1042 00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:37,980 you know and that's kind of the 1043 00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:39,540 frustrating part and I've heard Richard 1044 00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:42,300 Dolan actually say this before 1045 00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:44,280 um he goes you know there's not one 1046 00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,500 government document that actually proves 1047 00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:49,380 the existence of aliens you know or 1048 00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,820 another being 1049 00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:53,760 yeah and you know after spending hours 1050 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:55,859 and hours 1051 00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:59,520 you know weeks days months years looking 1052 00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:01,740 into that stuff it's frustrating at the 1053 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:08,210 you know you know what do you what do 1054 00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:10,440 you do with that it's it's frustrating 1055 00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:12,119 and that at the end of the day after 1056 00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,859 doing all that all I can say is that 1057 00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:15,839 things something exists 1058 00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:17,400 you know 1059 00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:20,520 something exists that we don't generally 1060 00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:24,359 public wise know what it is right you 1061 00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,040 know and what I've seen is different 1062 00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:28,260 from what other people have seen yep so 1063 00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:30,119 now you have multiple things that exist 1064 00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,220 that nobody knows what it is that's 1065 00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,370 what do you do and you know 1066 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,300 I think you have to be okay with knowing 1067 00:43:43,970 --> 00:43:41,040 that you might not figure it out 1068 00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:43,980 absolutely and you know I I think that 1069 00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:46,500 there's a point where 1070 00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:50,579 you know that you can take solace and 1071 00:43:57,290 --> 00:43:54,180 and finding that other people have have 1072 00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:57,300 asked similar questions that people have 1073 00:44:02,210 --> 00:43:59,819 asked differently better formulated 1074 00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:02,220 versions of similar or even radically 1075 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,400 different questions and use that as kind 1076 00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:06,960 of like a springboard 1077 00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:10,980 to get as excited about the questions 1078 00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,980 that we're asking as we could be about 1079 00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:15,960 what the actual answers actually are 1080 00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:20,640 right so like like getting diggered once 1081 00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:23,400 you kind of get into the the part where 1082 00:44:27,290 --> 00:44:24,380 you can 1083 00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,300 excitedly dig deeper into the mystery 1084 00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,560 and then 1085 00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:31,260 be able to recognize when you need to 1086 00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,260 hang out in a certain space with it you 1087 00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:35,760 know what I mean because it can be so 1088 00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:38,520 much to juggle and be like okay I can 1089 00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,980 handle four like I got four balls in the 1090 00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,540 air that's what I got I that's that's 1091 00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:44,220 how much I can handle right now right 1092 00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:46,740 and you want to commit all the time to 1093 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:48,599 the things that oh this feels right like 1094 00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:51,240 you want to land on something where 1095 00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,160 you're committing to it like this is the 1096 00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,280 truth this is it I've found it you know 1097 00:45:02,569 --> 00:44:58,740 but it's there's always like uh but 1098 00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,579 maybe not yeah yeah and and at the same 1099 00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:05,099 time you know I mean I think one of the 1100 00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:07,619 best things that we find in this also is 1101 00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,680 is that we can find Community you know 1102 00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,900 what I mean and and for hundreds of 1103 00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,420 years thousands of years maybe millions 1104 00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:18,240 of years you know P there were mystery 1105 00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,740 schools there were things like this but 1106 00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:21,599 a lot of people would have these 1107 00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:22,980 experiences and there would be 1108 00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,319 absolutely nobody to talk to talk about 1109 00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,359 you know there would be nobody to talk 1110 00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,520 to nobody you couldn't talk to somebody 1111 00:45:32,569 --> 00:45:31,740 halfway across America much less the 1112 00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,579 world 1113 00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:33,839 you know 1114 00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:35,579 um to deal with this stuff and here we 1115 00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,339 are you're in MO you're in Wisconsin I'm 1116 00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,319 in New Jersey we have a bunch of people 1117 00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:43,079 in the chat from all over and we can 1118 00:45:46,970 --> 00:45:44,760 both commit we can choose to just 1119 00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,980 commiserate on this stuff and we will 1120 00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:49,619 and then we can also you know use it as 1121 00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:52,319 a as a point to compare notes and grow 1122 00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:56,099 from it and like find each other and and 1123 00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:57,900 you know look at the big questions 1124 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,319 together and remember that you know that 1125 00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,200 that we have each other to to consider 1126 00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:06,960 these things right yeah the camaraderie 1127 00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:08,220 and the Mystery 1128 00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:12,060 yeah absolutely yeah and I think you 1129 00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,380 know it's also 1130 00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,380 there's there's a slight 1131 00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:18,420 you know kind of shift once you realize 1132 00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:21,540 that there is something more 1133 00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,819 to to life after going through an 1134 00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:25,680 experience like that you know that I've 1135 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:26,940 been through or the what you've been 1136 00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,859 through it's like okay all of a sudden 1137 00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,260 you know that there's something more 1138 00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:34,800 there's something that's irregular from 1139 00:46:40,210 --> 00:46:37,619 what you've known and have been taught 1140 00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:40,220 you know and 1141 00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:44,280 that in itself is uh exciting you know 1142 00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:45,420 and that didn't come from the government 1143 00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,640 that came from just me living my life 1144 00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:49,760 yeah you know 1145 00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,740 absolutely you know because that stuff 1146 00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:54,660 that like that experience that you had 1147 00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:57,180 in your backyard you know in many ways 1148 00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:59,640 that was probably you know if it's 1149 00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,520 anything like my my experiences it feels 1150 00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:04,560 like some of the most deeply intimate 1151 00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:07,380 things that you've ever experienced in a 1152 00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,960 lot of ways you know yeah and at the 1153 00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:12,180 same time it reflects something weirdly 1154 00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,280 that feels weirdly Universal 1155 00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:16,859 and then look at what happened and then 1156 00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:19,140 you eventually got to the point as did I 1157 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:20,579 whereas like 1158 00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:22,520 hey guys 1159 00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:26,339 you know and and you had to bring it to 1160 00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,260 the community 1161 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,000 and and look at how many people you know 1162 00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:32,160 I it was so great to see you know you 1163 00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,359 you announced that we were going to do 1164 00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,760 this today and it was just like and 1165 00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,680 seeing the positive comments from people 1166 00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:40,260 even you know just at the drop of a hat 1167 00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:42,060 and look at the people in the chat right 1168 00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:44,040 now it's really beautiful to see you 1169 00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:46,500 know what I mean that it's great that 1170 00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,359 we're we're you know we are 1171 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,119 participating in a time where we don't 1172 00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:53,280 have to just trust those other people we 1173 00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:55,500 have personal disclosure we have our own 1174 00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:57,180 versions of disclosure where we can talk 1175 00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:00,599 about this stuff and and we can we can 1176 00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:03,240 we can deal with it as a community and 1177 00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,940 we can bring it forward in a way that 1178 00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:07,859 you know our even our parents generation 1179 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,420 couldn't because there was too much 1180 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,640 stigma and that's you know what I mean 1181 00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:13,920 when you look at yeah you know anybody 1182 00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:16,319 from my parents generation or earlier it 1183 00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:19,020 was or even you know an older siblings 1184 00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,300 you know Generation 1185 00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,760 Um and so we just gotta you're right 1186 00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,619 you're you're right there and I can say 1187 00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,359 like I don't want to make it seem like 1188 00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,040 going through all those documents was 1189 00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,680 was pointless because one it did it did 1190 00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:33,599 affirm to me that you know other people 1191 00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:37,500 have experienced uh anomalous things and 1192 00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,760 you can get the most credential uh pilot 1193 00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,380 or whatever with the most credentials 1194 00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,359 and whatever they've all had that 1195 00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:47,700 experience in in a different you know 1196 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:50,940 way and maybe but everybody all sorts of 1197 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,200 people have had that experience so I've 1198 00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:53,760 learned that and that and that's what 1199 00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:56,220 you know made me feel okay with what 1200 00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,540 I've been through without feeling crazy 1201 00:49:02,690 --> 00:48:59,640 the other thing is you know you can 1202 00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,700 you're right Jay and that things are 1203 00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:05,040 different than you know one our parents 1204 00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,500 or our age or whatever because and I've 1205 00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,880 learned that from looking at those 1206 00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:10,140 documents because there were so many 1207 00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,740 witnesses in those documents that said 1208 00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:15,839 um they were afraid they reported it 1209 00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,599 late because they were afraid at first 1210 00:49:22,490 --> 00:49:20,579 that they'd be made fun of or they 1211 00:49:25,849 --> 00:49:22,500 didn't want anyone at their job to find 1212 00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:25,859 out or they don't want any publicity but 1213 00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:28,020 they thought they were doing their due 1214 00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,780 diligence to tell somebody or to tell 1215 00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:33,599 the Air Force you know and if we can 1216 00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,660 break that down which I I think that's 1217 00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,240 come a long way I mean that that's those 1218 00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,880 are huge steps those are huge steps you 1219 00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:43,680 know for Ryan Graves to be on 60 Minutes 1220 00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:46,859 for instance or whatever absolutely yeah 1221 00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,380 yeah and and for us to be in the 1222 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,880 position that we are and being able to 1223 00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,260 have the community from the position 1224 00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:54,960 that we are in terms of 1225 00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,420 and working on these things ourselves 1226 00:50:04,849 --> 00:49:59,940 you know being able to like take agency 1227 00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:06,530 oh man 1228 00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,339 got to fix that internet connection of 1229 00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:10,319 you our Visions together 1230 00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:12,420 yeah I guess so like I'll work on that 1231 00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:14,700 for I'll work out on that for uh the 1232 00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,619 next time we get together no that's uh 1233 00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,660 that's it's always the juiciest part too 1234 00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:21,119 that I feel like is coming up it's just 1235 00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,220 because I'm getting excited oh you know 1236 00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:25,200 there's I think 1237 00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,480 you know every once in a while when 1238 00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,520 stuff like that happens it's hard not to 1239 00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:32,160 wonder like you know is it like when my 1240 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,260 grandma you know would get riled up and 1241 00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:36,960 her watch would stop is it like that you 1242 00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:40,079 know what I mean I don't know yeah maybe 1243 00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:42,359 yeah maybe 1244 00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:43,980 what's been great talking with you I 1245 00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,480 don't know how much more time you have 1246 00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:47,460 here I know you have other things on 1247 00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,040 your schedule yeah I gotta run to 1248 00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:52,319 Manhattan in a few minutes but dude it 1249 00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,280 is so amazing to see you yeah you too 1250 00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:57,599 and I know we wanted to cover other 1251 00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,640 things but it's been a while so you know 1252 00:51:04,329 --> 00:51:01,680 we just got into deep conversation which 1253 00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:04,339 I always appreciate the most with you so 1254 00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:07,140 absolutely well you know what that means 1255 00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:09,180 it just means that we have more to talk 1256 00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:10,980 about next time we get together 1257 00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:13,500 and I cannot wait 1258 00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,380 that sounds absolutely amazing I'd love 1259 00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,180 to I'd love to talk about those new 1260 00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,700 articles that uh Chris sharp is has put 1261 00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:22,440 up with Liberation times I talked to him 1262 00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:24,420 recently I'd love to talk with you about 1263 00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,559 that 1264 00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:27,599 um you know the The Whistleblower 1265 00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:30,540 language and upcoming funding bill you 1266 00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,300 know I'd love to go into more detail 1267 00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,640 um about the loose threads uh it'd be 1268 00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,319 great to see if maybe we can get Omega 1269 00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:39,180 point on the show you know there's all 1270 00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,220 sorts of fun things to do that'd be fun 1271 00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,740 can't wait to do that I'm going to stick 1272 00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:46,079 around for a little bit longer with with 1273 00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:48,359 the crew all right 1274 00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,240 um and you know just keep getting some 1275 00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,460 rest off so oh that sounds like a great 1276 00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:55,980 idea okay well I'll say hi to smelly 1277 00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,260 Manhattan for you and it's great to see 1278 00:52:02,089 --> 00:51:59,760 everybody in the chat it's especially 1279 00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:02,099 amazing to see you Sean I love you too 1280 00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:02,960 brother 1281 00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:06,900 all right see you everybody 1282 00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,809 all right so that was great that was 1283 00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:13,980 great having Jay back 1284 00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:20,990 there are a couple other things that we 1285 00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:23,339 wanted to get into one Andres actually 1286 00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:25,500 hit on the head here supposedly at the 1287 00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:28,740 UAP report coming out at the end of this 1288 00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,079 month that was a tweet from Christopher 1289 00:52:36,349 --> 00:52:33,359 sharp from Liberation times who said he 1290 00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:36,359 has uh some sources saying 1291 00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,579 uh that that's going to be the case so 1292 00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:40,800 and what you know I was going to talk 1293 00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:42,420 about a little bit with Jay is where is 1294 00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:44,099 the UAP report everyone thought it was 1295 00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:46,140 coming out on Halloween I remember even 1296 00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:48,839 Bryce Sable thought it would be a uh an 1297 00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:52,020 October surprise for the election 1298 00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,359 um and it just hadn't come up but what 1299 00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,400 did come out was a New York Times piece 1300 00:53:03,290 --> 00:52:59,280 by Julian Barnes who pretty much uh 1301 00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,300 pooh-pooed the whole thing by saying 1302 00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,940 um it turns out that most of these 1303 00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:08,280 incidents are Chinese drones there's no 1304 00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:11,579 space aliens folks forget it move on and 1305 00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:14,180 we saw the propaganda Sheen proper 1306 00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:16,680 propaganda machine in motion because 1307 00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:18,780 after that New York Times article came 1308 00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:19,800 out 1309 00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,540 I can't even count how many other 1310 00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,480 outlets news outlets picked up that same 1311 00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:27,119 thread and started reporting uh the same 1312 00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,819 thing but when you look at it in finer 1313 00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:31,500 detail 1314 00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:33,180 look at the numbers of that New York 1315 00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:35,940 Times thing says most of them were 1316 00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:37,740 Chinese drones air clutter or whatever 1317 00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:40,200 trash but they're and my numbers are 1318 00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:41,400 probably wrong here but there was 1319 00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,800 roughly uh you know like 150 or whatever 1320 00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:46,559 that we're still unidentified so let's 1321 00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:49,920 say we had 300 reports right 1322 00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:53,940 and 149 are unidentified and 151 are 1323 00:53:59,809 --> 00:53:55,800 Chinese drones trash space clutter 1324 00:54:02,809 --> 00:53:59,819 whatever you can honestly say most are 1325 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:02,819 prosaic and get away with it it's just 1326 00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:06,000 not honest because I'm sure Julian burns 1327 00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:07,980 like everybody else knows we don't care 1328 00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:09,960 about those 1329 00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,280 we care about the 49 that is 1330 00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,800 unidentified which mind you 1331 00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:19,440 is so much worse 1332 00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:22,440 so many more unidentifieds than even a 1333 00:54:29,210 --> 00:54:25,800 19 freaking 48 or 49. 1334 00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,220 you know when 20 were unidentified 1335 00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:30,960 so how is it with all this extra 1336 00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:33,440 technology that we have sensors 1337 00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,710 we got about 49 now I'd unidentified 1338 00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:44,400 pretty weird 1339 00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:48,480 so we'll see if uh 1340 00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:50,339 this report comes out and what's it what 1341 00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:52,500 is it going to say the one thing I mean 1342 00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:54,059 first of all 1343 00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,420 um you know I'm not a lawyer 1344 00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:00,420 but I believe that they broke the law by 1345 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,480 not coming out with a report 1346 00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:05,520 um on the mandated date that was passed 1347 00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:07,020 through legislation 1348 00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:08,460 so hopefully it will at least get an 1349 00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:11,220 apology right 1350 00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:12,660 because I don't think anyone's getting 1351 00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:14,220 arrested 1352 00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:16,859 but yeah so we'll see where that goes 1353 00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:19,020 but like Jay and I were talking about uh 1354 00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:20,460 you know putting all your eggs in that 1355 00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:23,760 basket too maybe not such a great idea 1356 00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,140 right 1357 00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:27,839 I mean I I literally at Lowe's that 1358 00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,880 people uh still say this it's so 1359 00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,220 annoying at this point but to repeat the 1360 00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:34,079 same process and expect different 1361 00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:36,300 results is you know the definition of 1362 00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:38,339 insanity and we hear it all the time to 1363 00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,720 the point where I'm like if I hear that 1364 00:55:44,770 --> 00:55:41,520 one more time I'm gonna freak out but 1365 00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:47,690 and you know in this case if we expect 1366 00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:52,849 I don't know I'm not going to say we're 1367 00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:54,119 insane but you know what I'm talking 1368 00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:56,099 about 1369 00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:00,540 times people throughout the decades have 1370 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,480 hoped that there would be some honesty 1371 00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:06,000 whether it's the 1952 Washington DC 1372 00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:07,880 sightings whether it's the Michigan 1373 00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:10,800 swampcast swampcast case whether it's 1374 00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:14,400 Socorro New Mexico whatever it is 1375 00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,020 you know at the end of the day 1376 00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,200 the government always poo-poos it 1377 00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:20,880 I tend to think it's because they don't 1378 00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:22,200 know what the heck it is they know it 1379 00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:25,440 exists but how are you going to admit 1380 00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:27,540 that you don't know what it is you're 1381 00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,740 supposed to be the most powerful 1382 00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,920 military uh government in the world 1383 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:33,480 and you have things flying around on 1384 00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:34,740 your sky and you don't know what it is 1385 00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:36,119 how are you supposed to admit that to 1386 00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:43,910 you know 1387 00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:45,589 I think you just 1388 00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:46,680 um 1389 00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,859 I'd be very beneficial if you did and to 1390 00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,880 think of that you're only country 1391 00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:52,319 dealing with that 1392 00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,300 asinine 1393 00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:56,640 anyone who's looked at this topic Longs 1394 00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:58,680 enough long enough knows that Europe has 1395 00:57:05,329 --> 00:57:00,359 been through China 1396 00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:05,339 spit through it Russia Africa Australia 1397 00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,020 we're not the only country that has 1398 00:57:11,089 --> 00:57:09,599 unidentified things that fly around in 1399 00:57:14,809 --> 00:57:11,099 our airspace 1400 00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,190 you know 1401 00:57:20,089 --> 00:57:18,240 and I'd say it makes somebody more 1402 00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:20,099 mature to admit 1403 00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:21,420 that they don't know what something is 1404 00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:24,660 rather than to lie about it 1405 00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:25,980 right 1406 00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:31,309 but I could be wrong 1407 00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:34,140 could be wrong 1408 00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:40,500 I think uh it's unfortunate that the 1409 00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:42,420 government has been so dishonest about 1410 00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:45,000 this and other topics throughout the 1411 00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:46,980 decades that even if they told the truth 1412 00:57:56,210 --> 00:57:54,290 Dave Mills says whistleblower needed I 1413 00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:56,220 would agree 1414 00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:00,900 Louella zondo God bless him he came out 1415 00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:02,940 did what he could told people what he 1416 00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,020 could 1417 00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:06,660 without crossing the line 1418 00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,540 that would get him into trouble 1419 00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:12,000 I always said if you came out with uh 1420 00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:14,099 proof you know whether it's him or 1421 00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:15,180 somebody else 1422 00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:17,460 proof 1423 00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:20,819 of you know another intelligence having 1424 00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:23,579 something to do with uh UFOs not all of 1425 00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:26,280 them maybe even if it's just one 1426 00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,020 instance 1427 00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:30,720 and you came out with that 1428 00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:32,760 is a whistleblower and they put you in 1429 00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,540 jail 1430 00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:36,240 and it was like that's proof whatever it 1431 00:58:38,690 --> 00:58:37,500 is I don't know what that proof would 1432 00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,700 look like but what you know what I'm 1433 00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:43,309 man who 1434 00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,480 I know all of us would be protesting 1435 00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:46,799 that 1436 00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:03,109 but 1437 00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:04,680 you know there's different opinions on 1438 00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,980 it does the government really know that 1439 00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:09,540 there's another intelligent life that 1440 00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,180 exists that have phys that has visited 1441 00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:17,150 some people say yeah of course they do 1442 00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:23,390 some people say no it's all a joke 1443 00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,020 I tend to be more in the middle that 1444 00:59:30,049 --> 00:59:26,880 they do know something else exists but 1445 00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:30,059 they don't know what the heck it is 1446 00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,380 therefore they don't want to say 1447 00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:33,359 anything about it 1448 00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,650 but you know everybody has different 1449 00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,040 opinions 1450 00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:43,200 that's for sure 1451 00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:49,260 um one thing that I thought 1452 00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:52,559 would be fun to do 1453 01:00:03,309 --> 00:59:55,559 because I haven't done it 1454 01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,470 that I think would be fun it's called I 1455 01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:09,599 think some of you are probably 1456 01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:12,839 familiar with this already 1457 01:00:24,530 --> 01:00:21,049 we do this thing unwitness citizen 1458 01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:24,540 foreign once in a while 1459 01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:26,280 it's a fun thing 1460 01:00:30,430 --> 01:00:29,160 it's not a big deal but it's called what 1461 01:00:38,060 --> 01:00:30,440 that is that 1462 01:00:38,070 --> 01:00:43,430 [Music] 1463 01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:44,990 that's right everybody's called what the 1464 01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:47,099 heck is that where we look at UFO videos 1465 01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:49,799 on the internet and we ask what the heck 1466 01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,020 is that 1467 01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:54,720 disclaimer I don't know what any of them 1468 01:01:03,410 --> 01:00:57,960 are they could be prosaic probably are 1469 01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:06,950 so let's check it out by the way don't 1470 01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:10,079 forget it to 1471 01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:11,640 like the video 1472 01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:15,780 And subscribe if you haven't 1473 01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:21,410 all right let's check it out this one 1474 01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:22,859 right away it looks like a Tic Tac 1475 01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:28,430 this is crazy man there you go 1476 01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:35,230 or is it a blimp I'll do 1477 01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:54,890 been sitting for like 20 minutes now 1478 01:02:04,190 --> 01:01:59,990 I'm just gonna I got a playlist let's 1479 01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:06,170 thank you 1480 01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:22,670 probably balloons right 1481 01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:34,490 I don't know if it's like a spaceship I 1482 01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:36,119 would even know how am I how am I 1483 01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:44,150 probably balloons 1484 01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:46,260 balloon Zager says 1485 01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:48,780 flying grapes yeah I think it's flying 1486 01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:55,190 one for sure probably is not a UFO I 1487 01:02:59,329 --> 01:02:56,760 think it's probably 1488 01:03:02,930 --> 01:02:59,339 a rocket or something or meteor but it's 1489 01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:04,910 but again if there's a spaceship in 1490 01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:10,250 foreign 1491 01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:20,329 yeah probably a rocket maybe yeah rocket 1492 01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:22,380 it was pretty cool though videos pretty 1493 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:30,049 kind of looks like that first one Tic 1494 01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:31,530 Tac shape blimp 1495 01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,900 [Music] 1496 01:03:43,089 --> 01:03:35,460 but if there's flying grips it could be 1497 01:03:43,099 --> 01:03:50,530 Jay said that was a bug 1498 01:04:02,990 --> 01:03:53,980 it's slow moving 1499 01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:05,390 I don't know 1500 01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:10,849 [Music] 1501 01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:15,589 because it's a Tic Tac how the hell am I 1502 01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:28,660 I lost it oh there it is 1503 01:04:28,670 --> 01:04:37,430 [Music] 1504 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:42,530 this guy's got a work phone call 1505 01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:44,450 Robert's getting nervous 1506 01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:46,510 keep seeing the truck get the brakes 1507 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,750 I think we lost 1508 01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,870 it 1509 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:06,049 all right we got Hogwarts 1510 01:05:06,059 --> 01:05:12,230 no 1511 01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:15,109 uh was Hogwarts Harry Potter 1512 01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:19,020 oh thank you what the hell is that or is 1513 01:05:28,730 --> 01:05:20,579 that Lord of the Rings 1514 01:05:34,609 --> 01:05:32,569 maybe they're aliens that really like 1515 01:05:38,270 --> 01:05:34,619 Harry Potter they're like let's check 1516 01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:39,950 we don't even have to pay for admission 1517 01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:00,890 the movement I think drones is probably 1518 01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:02,760 the 1519 01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:14,890 I don't know 1520 01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:20,190 creepy though 1521 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,190 [Music] 1522 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,370 nothing here to really excited 1523 01:06:28,380 --> 01:06:35,950 foreign 1524 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:41,090 that's excited me 1525 01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:45,360 [Music] 1526 01:06:45,370 --> 01:06:49,970 [Laughter] 1527 01:06:55,370 --> 01:06:52,490 you can Christian I've seen videos where 1528 01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:55,380 the like in China I think was one where 1529 01:07:02,289 --> 01:06:57,720 they made an entire Dragon with drones 1530 01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,190 hope your battery's gonna die 1531 01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:07,200 [Music] 1532 01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,180 this reminds me of uh you know you hear 1533 01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:11,280 about those jellyfish UFO kind of things 1534 01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,270 Ariel flowers oh yeah it's it's moving 1535 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:49,190 oh I see it right above the tree 1536 01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,650 what the heck is that somebody said it 1537 01:08:06,529 --> 01:07:53,760 beautiful oh yeah 1538 01:08:10,510 --> 01:08:09,349 I'm gonna go 1539 01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:10,520 yeah 1540 01:08:17,450 --> 01:08:15,119 no it seems to be alive you guys it 1541 01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,460 seems to be alive it's going behind the 1542 01:08:33,229 --> 01:08:23,749 tell me when it seems to be alive 1543 01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,450 what spotting the camera Maybe 1544 01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:37,679 but you got to think of all the other 1545 01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:43,669 probably looking at it not looking at 1546 01:08:58,669 --> 01:08:54,050 it's a guy in a chair let's tie the 1547 01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:00,289 could be 1548 01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:14,689 yeah it's weird 1549 01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:16,500 um John's saying there's a second one 1550 01:09:19,729 --> 01:09:18,179 it's around it oh there is one above 1551 01:09:21,709 --> 01:09:19,739 there's a second one around above it so 1552 01:09:30,669 --> 01:09:21,719 come out a little bit Rob 1553 01:09:30,679 --> 01:09:37,610 how far is the other one above it 1554 01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:40,370 I want to ask Kelly but I say it's some 1555 01:09:44,219 --> 01:09:49,550 well it's over we're on to the next one 1556 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:56,650 foreign 1557 01:10:02,209 --> 01:10:00,229 this one is kind of boring I think 1558 01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:02,219 probably a drone but the light comes up 1559 01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:07,970 and then I think it goes downwards maybe 1560 01:10:16,380 --> 01:10:24,470 but it's interesting 1561 01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:26,810 and it's just a beautiful view look at 1562 01:10:40,450 --> 01:10:34,920 who wouldn't want to be there 1563 01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:43,850 [Music] 1564 01:10:51,169 --> 01:10:46,140 I'd skip it quick I don't know what this 1565 01:10:51,179 --> 01:10:55,490 I'm not familiar with this one 1566 01:11:01,790 --> 01:10:58,130 but it's 21 minutes long so I think 1567 01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,669 so that was our version today of what 1568 01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:06,000 the heck is that 1569 01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:18,790 [Music] 1570 01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:22,490 so I don't know I'm kind of uh 1571 01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:26,940 uh I guess odded things to talk about 1572 01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,140 um 1573 01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,000 I think that's about it I mean we could 1574 01:11:34,430 --> 01:11:32,159 look at a document or something but 1575 01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:34,440 maybe we'll save that for a different 1576 01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:36,600 day right I feel like I'm kind of 1577 01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:39,960 overstaying my welcome here 1578 01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:46,550 less 1579 01:11:55,070 --> 01:11:52,620 all right you guys tell me 1580 01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:55,080 you want to keep going or should we cut 1581 01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,970 I haven't looked at uh documents with 1582 01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,120 you yet well I haven't done anything 1583 01:12:10,209 --> 01:12:06,000 with you guys in a long time but 1584 01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:12,470 but I guess 1585 01:12:17,689 --> 01:12:14,699 I mean the the one document I've been 1586 01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:17,699 looking at lately is 1587 01:12:23,570 --> 01:12:19,980 this one 1588 01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:23,580 entitled Moon dust report and it comes 1589 01:12:28,430 --> 01:12:26,880 out of actually the Air Force OSI 1590 01:12:31,729 --> 01:12:28,440 District 1591 01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:31,739 in Oklahoma although this happens to be 1592 01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:34,860 in Wichita Falls Texas uh what why it's 1593 01:12:39,709 --> 01:12:37,380 interesting to me Moon dust reports so 1594 01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:39,719 Moon dust if for those of you who don't 1595 01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:47,090 was 1596 01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:49,260 um kind of like uh the Air Force's like 1597 01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:50,580 collection 1598 01:12:54,890 --> 01:12:53,040 uh thing like recovery thing so it's 1599 01:12:56,810 --> 01:12:54,900 like a satellite which would fall out of 1600 01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:56,820 the sky they would track it down they 1601 01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:58,860 would recover it 1602 01:13:03,890 --> 01:13:01,080 um and you know some people in the UFO 1603 01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:03,900 World also think that Mundus would go 1604 01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:06,239 after and recover you know like a 1605 01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:09,480 spaceship or something like that or or 1606 01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:12,960 whatever so these reports are pretty 1607 01:13:17,570 --> 01:13:15,120 interesting because they're a part of 1608 01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:17,580 the UFO documents so if something was 1609 01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,460 unidentified it crashed it landed and 1610 01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:23,040 moon dust was tasked to go pick it up 1611 01:13:30,590 --> 01:13:25,380 so this happens to be on the 28th of 1612 01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:32,390 a couple interesting things you learn 1613 01:13:36,830 --> 01:13:34,920 here about Moon dust from this document 1614 01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,840 is that they're based out of Fort 1615 01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:39,840 Balfour in Virginia 1616 01:13:45,890 --> 01:13:41,540 and a part of the uh 1617 01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:45,900 1127th USAF field activities group 1618 01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:47,940 it's pretty interesting so if you wanted 1619 01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:49,860 to maybe foia something like that that 1620 01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,130 we have here that the reported incident 1621 01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:57,840 was observed by several civilian police 1622 01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:03,530 so we got these police officers who saw 1623 01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:05,100 this thing 1624 01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:08,280 fall to the ground and moon dust was to 1625 01:14:17,689 --> 01:14:16,010 so you can see here 1626 01:14:21,950 --> 01:14:17,699 um 1627 01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:21,960 that the crashed involved Moon dust so 1628 01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:25,140 we have a UFO crash as UFO means 1629 01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:27,300 spaceship Noah but it is an unidentified 1630 01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:29,280 flying object that crashed 1631 01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:31,980 and then went to go check it out 1632 01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:34,500 so 1633 01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,830 about this is 1634 01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:45,120 that they say 1635 01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:46,920 so it was in the paper too that was 1636 01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,669 so they say that they found the object 1637 01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:54,480 and what they found was some charred 1638 01:15:00,410 --> 01:14:57,060 debris and what looked like pieces of a 1639 01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:02,930 so they go they find charred debris in 1640 01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:05,460 pieces of what looked like a parachute 1641 01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:08,820 right so 1642 01:15:14,890 --> 01:15:12,000 if you're the Air Force 1643 01:15:18,050 --> 01:15:14,900 and 1644 01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:18,060 you are 1645 01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:19,679 you know you found this piece of 1646 01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:22,020 parachute chart debris what do you think 1647 01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,810 like it would be unidentified 1648 01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:31,199 a parachute 1649 01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:37,130 could be any of those things I'll tell 1650 01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:39,540 you one thing 1651 01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:42,900 that I would not categorize categorize 1652 01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:46,080 it as and that would be 1653 01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:54,470 uh why do I say that 1654 01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:56,280 because 1655 01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:03,590 so what kind of meteorite 1656 01:16:09,410 --> 01:16:05,580 we've tried to breed and pieces of a 1657 01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:13,310 I don't know 1658 01:16:16,610 --> 01:16:14,390 foreign 1659 01:16:18,770 --> 01:16:16,620 not that exciting but it's pretty 1660 01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:18,780 interesting to me I guess because you 1661 01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,679 can see 1662 01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:21,840 and that's where some of the distrust 1663 01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:27,470 so you can look at their this is the Air 1664 01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:29,100 Force's sighting list and you can look 1665 01:16:35,689 --> 01:16:32,400 at the the 28th here and that's the 1666 01:16:39,890 --> 01:16:35,699 Wichita Falls Texas multi uh Witnesses 1667 01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:39,900 astral meteor well guess what it was not 1668 01:16:44,750 --> 01:16:42,780 because they found Char debris my pieces 1669 01:16:47,330 --> 01:16:44,760 of parachute but then they go and tell 1670 01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:47,340 everybody it's a meteor 1671 01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:49,560 so why are you lying 1672 01:16:52,910 --> 01:16:51,360 maybe it was Sputnik and they didn't 1673 01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:52,920 want anyone to know that they recovered 1674 01:17:03,709 --> 01:16:59,689 let's go and lie to everyone and tell 1675 01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:07,430 that comes up time and time again 1676 01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:09,540 um Dave Mills is this still going on 1677 01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:12,360 moon dust I don't think so 1678 01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:15,480 I don't know when it stopped but they I 1679 01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:17,100 would 1680 01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:18,780 have to believe that they have other 1681 01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,360 crash recovery teams 1682 01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:23,280 you know collecting other satellites or 1683 01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:25,199 whatever that crashes or space objects 1684 01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:33,050 you know the thing about Moon dust is 1685 01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,040 people always go did the government have 1686 01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,199 crash recovery teams we know they had 1687 01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:43,310 you know so if something crashed and it 1688 01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:44,640 was 1689 01:17:50,209 --> 01:17:47,940 space because think of it when they had 1690 01:17:53,870 --> 01:17:50,219 this it was 1960 whatever 59 there was 1691 01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:53,880 only like Sputnik that would crash 1692 01:18:02,330 --> 01:17:56,580 so if something fell 1693 01:18:06,169 --> 01:18:04,130 but you know like I said earlier with 1694 01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:06,179 Jay there's unfortunately not one 1695 01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:09,540 government document that proves that 1696 01:18:23,209 --> 01:18:21,709 good point Dave what avilo will be 1697 01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:23,219 looking for might already have been 1698 01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:25,800 looked for I think 1699 01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,750 and I would have to I would have to 1700 01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:35,040 believe so because moondust when they 1701 01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,340 were uh recovering crash pieces or 1702 01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:40,320 whatever crashed you know they would go 1703 01:18:46,729 --> 01:18:43,440 all over the world in fact most public 1704 01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:46,739 moondust reports I even want to say all 1705 01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:48,840 of them are across country they're not 1706 01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:52,320 the United States they're in Nepal or or 1707 01:18:58,970 --> 01:18:54,179 other places around the country moondust 1708 01:19:04,729 --> 01:19:01,250 and the Avi lobe thing I think is around 1709 01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,739 Papua New Guinea so I'm sure they they 1710 01:19:08,030 --> 01:19:06,480 would have to have the same type of 1711 01:19:10,330 --> 01:19:08,040 group going out there looking for stuff 1712 01:19:13,850 --> 01:19:10,340 and yeah I would think it's probably 1713 01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:13,860 pretty on point that they've the U.S 1714 01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:15,420 government has already probably went and 1715 01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:20,810 and it's interesting too because I don't 1716 01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:24,000 think they even admitted to the public 1717 01:19:28,850 --> 01:19:26,280 that it was a 1718 01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:28,860 um Interstellar object until like years 1719 01:19:34,729 --> 01:19:32,340 later why is that 1720 01:19:36,169 --> 01:19:34,739 maybe because somebody like Dr Avi lope 1721 01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,179 would come along 1722 01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:39,120 and try to recover it 1723 01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:41,400 wanted to do that first 1724 01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:43,920 maybe they did recover it 1725 01:19:51,950 --> 01:19:46,320 and so now there's another like uh yeah 1726 01:19:56,510 --> 01:19:54,350 you know 1727 01:19:58,189 --> 01:19:56,520 do I know that for sure of course not 1728 01:20:02,510 --> 01:19:58,199 but it would 1729 01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,830 if you're the government and you're 1730 01:20:09,050 --> 01:20:06,000 trying to recover an Interstellar 1731 01:20:13,250 --> 01:20:09,060 spacecraft not let anyone know 1732 01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:16,250 I want to give you an idea 1733 01:20:24,169 --> 01:20:21,830 because what's talked about sometimes is 1734 01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,179 with crash recoveries and they get this 1735 01:20:30,169 --> 01:20:25,920 stuff maybe they put it in the public 1736 01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,169 what this is an example of how that 1737 01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:35,280 works 1738 01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:42,649 but it's very detailed 1739 01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:44,520 and this is about what they found over 1740 01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,209 an operational report on the on-site 1741 01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:52,080 Nepal moondust operation has been 1742 01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:53,940 prepared in conjunction 1743 01:21:04,010 --> 01:21:01,070 so now this seemingly is about something 1744 01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:04,020 prosaic maybe I think uh Soviet 1745 01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:05,880 but they go to Nepal they check it out 1746 01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,090 and the interesting thing is here they 1747 01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:16,080 say things like fabrication techniques 1748 01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:23,330 and look at this number three potential 1749 01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:25,080 gains 1750 01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,590 extremely low-cost manufacturing 1751 01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:32,400 techniques could be fully demonstrated 1752 01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:35,520 to U.S industry immediate exploitation 1753 01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,669 Advanced fabrication technique 1754 01:21:56,810 --> 01:21:52,380 so here 1755 01:22:04,010 --> 01:22:01,070 recovering a Soviet rocket or whatever 1756 01:22:06,530 --> 01:22:04,020 saying it's state of the art and this is 1757 01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,540 how we're going to exploit it 1758 01:22:12,649 --> 01:22:09,360 and tell us industry 1759 01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:12,659 which is what Colonel corso and other 1760 01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:14,940 people have said that we've done with 1761 01:22:20,290 --> 01:22:16,920 UFOs 1762 01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:20,300 so that whole process exists 1763 01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:27,770 the only question is 1764 01:22:36,649 --> 01:22:34,970 okay y'all I'm gonna get out of here I 1765 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:36,659 feel like I can be kind of boring when 1766 01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,170 I'm by myself 1767 01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:41,520 [Laughter] 1768 01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,320 but I had a great time with you thanks 1769 01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:45,120 everybody for coming 1770 01:22:50,689 --> 01:22:47,580 back checking out the show hope you had 1771 01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:50,699 a good time I had a good time talking 1772 01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:55,140 um hopefully we'll do this again soon 1773 01:23:03,770 --> 01:22:57,420 and maybe I don't know maybe get some 1774 01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:06,830 we'll see 1775 01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:09,169 and yeah have a great weekend 1776 01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,980 I do appreciate you 1777 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:13,440 like the video subscribe if you haven't 1778 01:23:41,890 --> 01:23:15,770 peace